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Jane & Cathy - sound like fun times...we're going out with our neighbors to their club for dinner - but no drinking for me!
05/Dec/09 4:08 AM
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Wheeeee!
05/Dec/09 4:09 AM
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Scissored Wizard? Sounds very interesting Eve!
05/Dec/09 4:10 AM
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Good Maen All,
We are expecting 2 to 4 inches of snow here this afternoon. Very rare occurrence in SE Texas and especially unusual because we actually had snow that stuck to the ground last December not quite a year ago. Young man who teaches guitar lessons for us is a high school senior and More...
05/Dec/09 4:25 AM
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Gore gave no reason for cancelling his appearance at the Copenhagen Climate Summit. The announcement was made Thursday in the Copenhagen press. Refunds are having to be given to those who have paid $1,200 for his meet & greet hand shake & photo op event.

Just maybe, the release of More...
05/Dec/09 4:34 AM
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Eve, it's been going on a long time. But lately there is so much money in being a scare-monger (better than religion) that the conservangelists can take any line they want.

http://omniclimate.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/world-exclusive-cia-1974-document-reveals-empti ness-of-agw-scares-closes-debate-on-global-cooling-consensus-and-more/

05/Dec/09 6:01 AM
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I can't find what this 'scissored wizard' is. I hope he isn't cross-legged or he might be in trouble.
Yes Eve, Al Gore's press officer has not given very much of a reason. Maybe he is scared of facing the wrath of stealing the work of European environmnetalists without providing reference to their work?
05/Dec/09 6:27 AM
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China has provided a cheeky reason for not fully conforming to reducing carbon emissions, being - the goods we make and use are demanded and used by other countries. True too.
05/Dec/09 6:34 AM
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For me, the most critical aspect of the 'greenhouse gas debate' is preliminarily dealt with at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solubility_pump
- under the section "Anthropomorphic changes"
05/Dec/09 6:51 AM
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yes, Rayray, too true!
05/Dec/09 6:51 AM
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Morning. Up and reading emails and stuff while I drink a cuppa, then I have to go and pack fro Sydney. Catch you all later.
05/Dec/09 6:52 AM
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Yes CP - Too true too!!
05/Dec/09 6:54 AM
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Rayray: Have you ever thought about why every dire prediction for disaster (which can only be averted by sending money for more research or advocacy) has an end date which is beyond the career timetable of the person doing the predicting? I would like to see some 45-year-old 'scientist' make a More...
05/Dec/09 7:02 AM
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Ian: I fully undertstand the point you are making. However nature does not necessarily create situations that can be conveniently dealt with in the time-spand we would like. Also longre cycles are usually bigger and more important ones.
Don't you agree that one probem in the modern political arena is that politicians only deal with short term issues - then they pass the buck on to the next lot?
05/Dec/09 7:09 AM
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Unfortunately the issue of global warming has been politicised (probably because money is involved). The pure scientists are OK if they have no axe to grind. However it is sometimes hard to distinguish between the good scientists and those who are prostituted, or unduly influenced, by this or that material interest.One needs to try to remain objective.
05/Dec/09 7:13 AM
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That's certainly true about politicians, since they too are human (so I've been told).

But a doomsday scenario for the year 2050 is not some explosion at the end of the year 2049. Why can't (or more likely won't) those folks tell us what incremental changes signalling doomsday we can expect to see partway there?

05/Dec/09 7:15 AM
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To put it in a nut-shell - you need to stay 'cool', but, with global warming', some people fail to do so.
05/Dec/09 7:17 AM
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I think you are probably reading the wrong material Ian. And that is because the wrong material is thrown at us all - by the media and by quasi-scientists who have lost their marbles.
05/Dec/09 7:19 AM
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Rayray, I doubt if there are 100 scientists throughout the world who are really capable of providing any real expertise on global warming, man-made or not.

The complexity of the question requires contributions from physics, chemistry, oceanography, history, anthropology, climatology and More...
05/Dec/09 7:22 AM
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One of the reason I had problems with "Global Warming" is because I remember 30 years ago saying that we were entering a new Ice Age and blaming the same thing - Man.

I vaguely remember something I learned in elementary school about the life cycle of a star (which our sun is one). More...
05/Dec/09 7:25 AM
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I agree completely with that assessment about few people being reliable sources of information and thought relevant to global warming. I also hope that I myself, through my training in that particular area, may be closer to that group than most. There is also the factor of 'invested interest More...
05/Dec/09 7:27 AM
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Eve:
Global warming is little bit different from a Red Giants' behaviour. We can do nothing about them nor can we do anything about the sun's cycles. However, if we are contributing to effects that originate from the sun, we might be able to play some part in averting unpleasant and costly More...
05/Dec/09 7:32 AM
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Ian:
With regard to your comment about some scientists not being entirely genuine -
I draw your attention to the slogan provided by the un-named editor who wrote the Wiki-article at the link I provided above.
05/Dec/09 7:42 AM
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[Maybe he/she is 'one of the hundred' you refer to]
05/Dec/09 7:43 AM
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[I'd better stop! I'm CP-ing!]
05/Dec/09 7:44 AM
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Rayray: The huge interdisciplinary approach is required by the simple fact that we really don't know what the incremental change (Δ) is, and whether it is or isn't anthropogenic. There really has been no satisfactory answer to that one.



05/Dec/09 7:45 AM
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It's Snowing, It's Snowing! Don't know if it will stick too much but it is really coming down. Don't think I've ever really seen it snow in the day time like this. Usually wake up to see the snow that fell in the night. Actually looks like the little kid pictures we used to draw of snow falling. More...
05/Dec/09 7:45 AM
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Ray Ray - you asked about a Scissored Wizard.

Check out: http://www.lcftra.org/home.php

The rendering of the float is on that page.

For those of you who wish to see the construction photos - click on Current Pictures Updated to 11/28/2009. It is coming along.

I More...
05/Dec/09 8:03 AM
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2:13, everyone.
05/Dec/09 8:17 AM
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Ian:
I know it is difficult to assess this problem in simple terms. However there is sufficent cross-information and concern between disciplines to have presented a picture that should elicit concern. The interdisciplinarity ceates indepence of thought and the occasional person who is positioned More...
05/Dec/09 8:18 AM
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I posted a copy of the rendering of the 2010 float "Scissored Wizard" in my photo gallery. Also the link to the La Cañada Flintridge Tournament of Roses web site. They have a section on photos of the construction as it progressed. The Aug 29th photos show the "Station Fire" also called the La Cañada Fire billowing behind the float site.
05/Dec/09 8:22 AM
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Eve:
Most google referneces to scissor wizrd turn up barber's salons. I suppose it is a good name for such - but we don't use it here in UK.
Other )fewer) references turn up float organisations for some kind of festival - but in those I have found no exact explanation about 'scissor wizard' - and that includes within the link you sent.
05/Dec/09 8:26 AM
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Jim!
Slept in and got up to the amazing smell of freshly brewed! I've even bought the tim tams! Chocolate + coffee = heaven!
How is the fill operation going?
05/Dec/09 8:35 AM
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OK RayRay, I read your wikipedia entry, but why is the production of cement such an influence?
05/Dec/09 8:56 AM
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Political Correctness ran awry. In Ashland, OR at one of the elementary schools they had a "Holiday Gift Tree" (like they had last year - with cards the kids could pick with the needs of different children in the community) the child would then purchase something for the child and bring More...
05/Dec/09 9:09 AM
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Mariane:
Cement is produced in large quantities worldwide. The process liberates much dust - during the crushing of the raw material (limestone). The dust is almost pure Calcium carbonate which I think, in the atmosphere, readily decomposes into Oxide (that combines with water) and - Carbon dioxide gas.
05/Dec/09 9:14 AM
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Eve, we've really done our children a diservice. I look at my parents-in-law, who started small, built up a nice little business in a big regional town, worked really hard, never wasted anything at home (MiL is an amazing cook and saves all the leftovers to produce more magic) and then started to More...
05/Dec/09 9:15 AM
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The limestone originated naturally through sedimentation and acid rain is converting it to produce carbon dioxide gas (broadly similar generation as from fossil fuels I suppose)
05/Dec/09 9:17 AM
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Thanks, RayRay - that is really simple! So our cleverness has got us into this mess! If we still built out of dressed stone and wood, wouldwe be better off? Is there an alternative to cement?
05/Dec/09 9:17 AM
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So if limestone was created by sedimantation, was that a process of trapping carbon dioxide from the atmosphere?
05/Dec/09 9:27 AM
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